tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post1544571122870116970..comments2024-02-10T21:04:22.822-05:00Comments on The Familyhood Church: Quick Book Review: Why the Jews Rejected JesusKevin Knoxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16788817477327510023noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-67066457842174104892007-10-03T12:50:00.000-04:002007-10-03T12:50:00.000-04:00I must let you know that I went looking for this b...I must let you know that I went looking for this book in the store last week - "nope, we don't import books from this publisher, sorry".<BR/>I have to look harder :/pearliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17142595255771626179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-27549677825866346282007-09-25T15:42:00.000-04:002007-09-25T15:42:00.000-04:00You know, some of those I might, but on most of th...You know, some of those I might, but on most of those I'd be re-inventing the wheel. Joe Hinman (Metacrock) has already done huge amounts of research on those. His dyslexia makes reading his things a teensy bit challenging sometimes, but well worth the trouble. <BR/><BR/>His main links page for that kind of thing is here: <BR/><BR/>http://www.doxa.ws/Menues/DoxaMessiah_menu2.htmlWeekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-74127231206341337252007-09-25T14:38:00.000-04:002007-09-25T14:38:00.000-04:00On pages 160-168, Klinghoffer goes through ten or ...On pages 160-168, Klinghoffer goes through ten or so prophecies. Those<BR/>would be the most focused targets. Of those, the Isaiah 52-53 passage is certainly the most important.<BR/><BR/>Mic 5:1 passage about Bethlehem<BR/>Is 7:4 on the maiden birth<BR/>Jer 31:31-34 on the kingdom and the covenant is dicey, because of differing views on the millenium.<BR/>Is 11:9 and 2:4 fit in the same category.<BR/>Ps 22 gets big mention, too.<BR/><BR/>Later on pages 201-210 several of the same passages are reevaluated along with interesting points from Zech 12:10 and Daniel 9:24.<BR/><BR/>I won't say I found all those indisputable, but his arguments do sound solid to me.Kevin Knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16788817477327510023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-88998091125296789152007-09-24T23:46:00.000-04:002007-09-24T23:46:00.000-04:00No, I haven't, but it sounds like a fun series (ac...No, I haven't, but it sounds like a fun series (according to my idea of fun). If I were to consider a thing like that, which ones would be best to include? FAQ's as it were.Weekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-32208057764046267882007-09-23T22:49:00.000-04:002007-09-23T22:49:00.000-04:00That's a good overview, WF. I have to ask (knowing...That's a good overview, WF. I have to ask (knowing you) whether you wrote any series on various prophecies, rebutting the specific interpretations leveled against them?Kevin Knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16788817477327510023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-46548987433611178832007-09-22T10:06:00.000-04:002007-09-22T10:06:00.000-04:00Hey PokeThat's kind of you. And your general take...Hey Poke<BR/><BR/>That's kind of you. <BR/><BR/>And your general take, "You don't argue with someone who rose from the dead," works. I've used that argument when pressed for time myself. But if you want more thorough ... <BR/><BR/>And if the prophecies are the one that concerned you, I actually hear that one often enough that I'd written a rebuttal to that ages ago. It's one of the times where that particular fellow was playing false with his own tradition. There's even a place in his book where he gives a (very veiled) nod to that fact, admitting that his forebears or the people of the time or whatnot took a much more open-ended approach to it. He says that like it was illegitimate ... his forebears thought differently and thought that the closed-ended approach was the illegitimate one. <BR/><BR/>This particular link is a republish, since I did the first one back when I was blogging at the CADRE site. Hope it's helpful. <BR/><BR/>http://weekendfisher.blogspot.com/2005/12/messiah-talmud-on-messianic-prophecy.html<BR/><BR/>Take care & God bless<BR/>Anne / WFWeekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-74157100503691083062007-09-20T22:22:00.000-04:002007-09-20T22:22:00.000-04:00Enjoy, AnonyTari. :-)Lynne, the thing that hurt is...Enjoy, AnonyTari. :-)<BR/><BR/>Lynne, the thing that hurt is that it was a $25 book, and I got it (for a limited time only, I'm sure) at fool price. I can't even claim a sale as an excuse!<BR/><BR/>And, Pearlie, I'm not sure - with your prodigious library - whether having bought the same book twice counts as odd for you. To purchase as many books as you do, and never purchase any twice WOULD be amazing! :-D<BR/><BR/>WF, we both know how much more well-versed you are in these things than I. I agree that many of his arguments were spurious, lazy or otherwise silly to insert. But I didn't find all of them so easily dismissed. <BR/><BR/>The arguments that carried the most weight with me were the ones I've wondered about all my Christian life - the de-interpretation of the Messianic prophecies. Countless times I've looked up some prophecy Matthew or Paul or someone quotes and thought, "Huh? This is a prophecy of Jesus? I never would have guessed that." Klinghoffer, doesn't accept the new testament as God-breathed, so he lets those prophecies stand on their own two feet. Without the authority of the new testament to buttress them, they all fall flat pretty quickly. <BR/><BR/>As I thought about writing a rebuttal to his work, I came to the conclusion that I simply couldn't do it. His interpretation of those prophecies sounds really solid if I deny myself the authority of the new testament to interpret them. I also realized that neither Paul nor Jesus were able to do it convincingly, and therefore didn't feel quite so bad. <BR/><BR/>It seems to me the key again is the death and resurrection of a Man Who claimed to be God. Because Klinghoffer two-steps around the resurrection so quickly, it's obviously the point to press. For pages and pages he talks about Christ's death, then dismisses the resurrection in 2 pages as meaningless unless you already hold to the twisted prophecies. He never addresses the point of whether Christ actually rose again, and what it might mean if He did. <BR/><BR/>If the resurrection means what we say it means, then Jesus' own interpretation of the prophecies becomes paramount, and that of His followers rises in importance very quickly. If He is still dead and eaten by dogs somewhere, though, then waiting on a Messiah of a significantly more kingly appearance makes ultimate sense. The cross either destroyed the law - anathema to Klinghoffer and the people he represents - or it broke a deluded man. <BR/><BR/>I'm not the guy to take the veil from his eyes, but I was mesmerized to read the Jewish take on the whole argument. It was money well spent - once anyway.Kevin Knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16788817477327510023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-5199168517754356352007-09-20T21:11:00.000-04:002007-09-20T21:11:00.000-04:00I read that book awhile back; it's still on my she...I read that book awhile back; it's still on my shelf. However, I was mighty familiar with some of his arguments. Many of them are blow smoke, misleading, or factually inaccurate on key points. <BR/><BR/>Though you remind me ... I have been meaning to write the "brief rebuttal to ..." ever since, pointing out his biggest whoppers.Weekend Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10425001168670801073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-47595852605577001502007-09-20T12:52:00.000-04:002007-09-20T12:52:00.000-04:00Anyways, I just did it over the weekend. Two of th...Anyways, I just did it over the weekend. Two of the same commentary on Mark sitting on my shelf right now!pearliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17142595255771626179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-15960627546808513052007-09-20T12:51:00.000-04:002007-09-20T12:51:00.000-04:00I had another copy already waiting on me.I thought...<EM>I had another copy already waiting on me.</EM><BR/><EM>I thought I was the only person to ever buy books twice!</EM><BR/><BR/>Reading these is such a relief :) :) I really thought I was the only one.pearliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17142595255771626179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-65885149643731349212007-09-20T01:22:00.000-04:002007-09-20T01:22:00.000-04:00LOL! I thought I was the only person to ever buy b...LOL! I thought I was the only person to ever buy books twice!Lynnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10982043538182690871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-12089061069557837412007-09-19T22:01:00.000-04:002007-09-19T22:01:00.000-04:00Oops! anonymous was me. :)Oops! anonymous was me. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-34656410045443131312007-09-19T22:00:00.000-04:002007-09-19T22:00:00.000-04:00Fascinating review! This is a book I will definite...Fascinating review! This is a book I will definitely read. I really enjoyed Paul Johnson's "A History of the Jews", so this is a subject that I very much enjoy reading about. Thank you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com