tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post114895861696248569..comments2024-02-10T21:04:22.822-05:00Comments on The Familyhood Church: Leadership: Titus and responsibilitiesKevin Knoxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16788817477327510023noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-1149149147590133872006-06-01T04:05:00.000-04:002006-06-01T04:05:00.000-04:00codepoke,i did visit that blog once before, quite ...codepoke,<BR/>i did visit that blog once before, quite interesting. i should visit it more often.pearliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17142595255771626179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-1149093072006017672006-05-31T12:31:00.000-04:002006-05-31T12:31:00.000-04:00Thank you very much, Maeghan!I am in your debt for...Thank you very much, Maeghan!<BR/><BR/>I am in your debt for your explanation of adorning (and for the tidbit on cosmetics :-). Very cool. I wonder what the folks at Better Bibles Blog would have to say about that?Kevin Knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16788817477327510023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-1149083958414259252006-05-31T09:59:00.000-04:002006-05-31T09:59:00.000-04:00Looks like I am always a "late bird" at your blog ...Looks like I am always a "late bird" at your blog codepoke :)<BR/><BR/>I like your post. I have not really read up much on Titus before and so what I am reading is really interesting.<BR/><BR/><EM>You, however, must teach what is appropriate to sound doctrine.</EM> is really a good directive of Paul. In my involvement in teaching in the church, and at one time mostly on doctrines, we can get so carried away by it that it would have been reduced to nothing but academic. What is important is the living out of our lives according to the truth set out in the Word of God. <BR/><BR/><EM>10 ... so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.</EM><BR/><BR/>This verse is very interesting. NIV translates κοσμωσιν as an adjective though it is a verb. NASB translate the verse giving it quite a different meaning:<BR/><BR/><EM>... showing all good faith so that they will adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in every respect.</EM><BR/><BR/>NIV: through the teachings, make the Word of God attractive to others to want to know more<BR/><BR/>NASB: use what is learnt through doctrines and apply it in our lives<BR/><BR/>So NIV takes it one step further, in making the Word of God attractive to others with the way that we live our lives, though I am not sure if it is the case of the verb.<BR/><BR/>κοσμωσιν comes from the root word κοσμεω (kosmeo - now we know where our word cosmetics come from!) which means to put in proper order, to decorate, to adorn, to garnish, to trim. These actions do bring about attractiveness though it is not the word <EM>attractive</EM>.pearliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17142595255771626179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-1149071931102589202006-05-31T06:38:00.000-04:002006-05-31T06:38:00.000-04:00Codepoke,The fruit is the end. Amen to that. Nice ...Codepoke,<BR/><BR/><I>The fruit is the end. </I><BR/><BR/>Amen to that. Nice post brother.<BR/><BR/>-DougDougALughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13335959723414264767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-1149042789496915702006-05-30T22:33:00.000-04:002006-05-30T22:33:00.000-04:00DugALug,OK. I concede that those three terms have ...DugALug,<BR/><BR/>OK. I concede that those three terms have nuanced differences. Paul still is not talking about doctrine at all in chapter 2. He is talking about the things that flow from doctrine. In chapters 1 & 2, Paul is talking about practical things, fruit, deeds. <BR/><BR/>The things that flow from appropriate, right, and sound doctrine take primacy over the doctrine itself. The doctrine comes first, but only as a means. The fruit is the end.Kevin Knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16788817477327510023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-1149035693840056402006-05-30T20:34:00.000-04:002006-05-30T20:34:00.000-04:00Codepoke,Right, Appropriate, and Sound doctrine ar...Codepoke,<BR/><BR/><I>Right, Appropriate, and Sound doctrine are all the same things, </I><BR/><BR/>Not so fast CodePoker! Let's just say that their were two children fighting, but it was obvious that one of the children was a bully. You could say that the child who was being picked on did something to provoke the bully, so the <B>sound</B> thing would be punish both of them. You could also send the victim away and discipline the bully... this would be the <B>right</B> thing to do. You could also separate them, get the full story from both of them and assess the guilty party and punish accordingly, this would be the <B>appropriate</B> response.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps Paul is saying use discernment to preach an uncompromised (aka sound) doctrine. <BR/><BR/>God Bless<BR/>DougDougALughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13335959723414264767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-1149023159679537442006-05-30T17:05:00.000-04:002006-05-30T17:05:00.000-04:00Yeah, Milly.even Christians like us who say one th...Yeah, Milly.<BR/><BR/><I>even Christians like us who say one thing and do another giving way to those ready to deny Him a chance to turn away.</I><BR/><BR/>This whole chapter is about Christians, not leaders. We can make it hard for those who oppose Christ to find anything to complain about, or we can make it easy. Sound doctrine should lead us to make it hard. <BR/><BR/>Amen.Kevin Knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16788817477327510023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-1149023033528584242006-05-30T17:03:00.000-04:002006-05-30T17:03:00.000-04:00DugALug,The difference is not in the word "appropr...DugALug,<BR/><BR/>The difference is not in the word "appropriate", but in the word, "of". Paul said things that are appropriate "of" sound doctrine. He was not dealing with the doctrine itself, but with the fruit that should flow from it. <BR/><BR/>Right, Appropriate, and Sound doctrine are all the same things, but fruit is the issue that is first and biggest on Paul's heart. He wants Titus to go and watch people's lives. I would even say, judge their lives.Kevin Knoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16788817477327510023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-1149015472970921772006-05-30T14:57:00.000-04:002006-05-30T14:57:00.000-04:0010 ... so that in every way they will make the tea...10 ... so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive.<BR/><BR/>I think that it’s very significant that we are examples of Godly people. Taking every moment we can to teach. Over and over again we hear of priest and ministers and even Christians like us who say one thing and do another giving way to those ready to deny Him a chance to turn away. Don’t ask to be a leader then act un Christian like. I know we’ve all seen it in our churches, those who seem to be there for the glory of themselves. If we are true Christians then our every day life must be right with Him at all times. So you never hear a “See that’s what I hate about them”<BR/><BR/>10 ... so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractiveMillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08676326805474564427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20104292.post-1149014535223506862006-05-30T14:42:00.000-04:002006-05-30T14:42:00.000-04:00Codepoke,Do you see a difference between 'right', ...Codepoke,<BR/><BR/>Do you see a difference between 'right', 'appropriate' and 'sound' doctrine?<BR/><BR/>I think this is was Paul was trying to delineate here more than anything.<BR/><BR/>God Bless<BR/>dougDougALughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13335959723414264767noreply@blogger.com